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		<title>Comment on Passive Composting and Why I Think That&#8217;s Important &#8211; a Contrarian Post by Erica / Northwest Edible Life</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainableeats.com/2012/02/21/passive-composting-and-why-i-think-thats-important-a-contrarian-post/comment-page-1/#comment-7274</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica / Northwest Edible Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My joy at seeing Star Trek and compost woven together so eloquently knows no limits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My joy at seeing Star Trek and compost woven together so eloquently knows no limits.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Passive Composting and Why I Think That&#8217;s Important &#8211; a Contrarian Post by Annette Cottrell</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainableeats.com/2012/02/21/passive-composting-and-why-i-think-thats-important-a-contrarian-post/comment-page-1/#comment-7268</link>
		<dc:creator>Annette Cottrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 07:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua you ARE the Mr. Spock of soil building and I believe you have correctly pegged me as Kirk.  How funny!  I would prefer to be Picard but sadly, it is not so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua you ARE the Mr. Spock of soil building and I believe you have correctly pegged me as Kirk.  How funny!  I would prefer to be Picard but sadly, it is not so.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Passive Composting and Why I Think That&#8217;s Important &#8211; a Contrarian Post by Joshua McNichols</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainableeats.com/2012/02/21/passive-composting-and-why-i-think-thats-important-a-contrarian-post/comment-page-1/#comment-7267</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua McNichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 07:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the key is I used the word &quot;minerals&quot; and you used the word &quot;nutrients.&quot; 

Minerals are dissolved rocks. No matter how many creatures lay eggs among those dissolved rocks, no matter how many creatures hatch and consume those dissolved rocks, incorporate those dissolved rocks into their exoskeletons, then die and reintroduce those dissolved rocks into to the soil in a more stable form, you won&#039;t increase the quantity of dissolved rocks in your soil. 

But &quot;nutrients&quot; on the other hand - that&#039;s an open question. Nutrients include minerals, but also include compounds - vitamins, fatty acids, and probably all kinds of things we haven&#039;t discovered yet. Such compounds are created all day, every day, by soil micro-organisms. They&#039;re made from finite resources, but as they pass from &quot;unavailable&quot; to &quot;available for biological growth,&quot; they enter the category of &quot;nutrient&quot; and thus increase the size of that category in your soil. 

So are &quot;nutrients&quot; increased in a passive pile, as compared to a hot pile? I have no idea. This would be an excellent experiment. You very well might be on to something, and my openness to this idea permeates all my writing about compost - despite your characterization of me - which I feel suggests that I am like the Mr. Spock of soil-building. When our great battle of compost ends, a battle supposedly between reason and feeling, and we stand amid the ruins, you may find to your surprise that we stand on the same side, just like Spock and Kirk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the key is I used the word &#8220;minerals&#8221; and you used the word &#8220;nutrients.&#8221; </p>
<p>Minerals are dissolved rocks. No matter how many creatures lay eggs among those dissolved rocks, no matter how many creatures hatch and consume those dissolved rocks, incorporate those dissolved rocks into their exoskeletons, then die and reintroduce those dissolved rocks into to the soil in a more stable form, you won&#8217;t increase the quantity of dissolved rocks in your soil. </p>
<p>But &#8220;nutrients&#8221; on the other hand &#8211; that&#8217;s an open question. Nutrients include minerals, but also include compounds &#8211; vitamins, fatty acids, and probably all kinds of things we haven&#8217;t discovered yet. Such compounds are created all day, every day, by soil micro-organisms. They&#8217;re made from finite resources, but as they pass from &#8220;unavailable&#8221; to &#8220;available for biological growth,&#8221; they enter the category of &#8220;nutrient&#8221; and thus increase the size of that category in your soil. </p>
<p>So are &#8220;nutrients&#8221; increased in a passive pile, as compared to a hot pile? I have no idea. This would be an excellent experiment. You very well might be on to something, and my openness to this idea permeates all my writing about compost &#8211; despite your characterization of me &#8211; which I feel suggests that I am like the Mr. Spock of soil-building. When our great battle of compost ends, a battle supposedly between reason and feeling, and we stand amid the ruins, you may find to your surprise that we stand on the same side, just like Spock and Kirk.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Passive Composting and Why I Think That&#8217;s Important &#8211; a Contrarian Post by Annette Cottrell</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainableeats.com/2012/02/21/passive-composting-and-why-i-think-thats-important-a-contrarian-post/comment-page-1/#comment-7265</link>
		<dc:creator>Annette Cottrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 05:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melany I also am attracted to the lazy ass gardener methods.  ;p  I have much better ways to spend my time than chopping up bits and turning piles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melany I also am attracted to the lazy ass gardener methods.  ;p  I have much better ways to spend my time than chopping up bits and turning piles.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Passive Composting and Why I Think That&#8217;s Important &#8211; a Contrarian Post by Annette Cottrell</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainableeats.com/2012/02/21/passive-composting-and-why-i-think-thats-important-a-contrarian-post/comment-page-1/#comment-7264</link>
		<dc:creator>Annette Cottrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 05:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A greater diversity of soil life won&#039;t increase the quantity of available minerals in your soil. &quot;  
Just wondering how you can make this blanket statement?  Have you measured minerals using both methods?  
Joshua you and I are coming from different view points.  You believe that everything is known.  I believe that very little is known.   And afor me the proof is in the pile.  The compost that I get from a passive pile is so much richer and performs better than hot compost.  That tells me they are not at all the same product.   Perhaps I need to get my refractometer out and measure the dissolved nutrients in plants grown using both methods, but unfortunately my cold compost remains back in Seattle.  Next spring though this sounds like a good experiment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A greater diversity of soil life won&#8217;t increase the quantity of available minerals in your soil. &#8221;<br />
Just wondering how you can make this blanket statement?  Have you measured minerals using both methods?<br />
Joshua you and I are coming from different view points.  You believe that everything is known.  I believe that very little is known.   And afor me the proof is in the pile.  The compost that I get from a passive pile is so much richer and performs better than hot compost.  That tells me they are not at all the same product.   Perhaps I need to get my refractometer out and measure the dissolved nutrients in plants grown using both methods, but unfortunately my cold compost remains back in Seattle.  Next spring though this sounds like a good experiment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Passive Composting and Why I Think That&#8217;s Important &#8211; a Contrarian Post by Joshua McNichols</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainableeats.com/2012/02/21/passive-composting-and-why-i-think-thats-important-a-contrarian-post/comment-page-1/#comment-7263</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua McNichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 05:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A greater diversity of soil life won&#039;t increase the quantity of available minerals in your soil. 

Are there other compounds, besides minerals, that soil micro-organisms accumulate for your plants&#039; consumption? I don&#039;t know, that&#039;s over my head. But I suspect there are other benefits to your method. 

In the same way a human body can be conditioned to recognize and respond to known diseases, so passive- or cold-compost contains a faint record of plagues it has known, in the form of dormant predators, ready to re-emerge when they see the bat-signal upon a cloud. In many instances, beneficial micro-organisms outcompete the pests. So in theory, passive composting is like drinking raw milk. 

Eventually, this analogy breaks down. Here&#039;s how: in a backyard compost pile, a full cross-section of micro-organisms survive at the periphery of the pile and quickly recolonize the pile after it passes through the &quot;hot composting&quot; process and cools/cures. You&#039;ve basically cleared the game board and let the micro-organisms compete on their own merits, rather than favoring pest organisms that thrived in the presence of tender garden crops.  What you get is a thriving ecosystem without the imbalance that existed before the pile heated up. And as a side benefit, you get stable compost faster (hot composting is much faster) and destroy most weed seeds.

So which is better? There&#039;s no clear winner. There are costs and benefits to each method. In my yard, I use both methods and apply the product in different areas according to my needs and what I&#039;m composting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A greater diversity of soil life won&#8217;t increase the quantity of available minerals in your soil. </p>
<p>Are there other compounds, besides minerals, that soil micro-organisms accumulate for your plants&#8217; consumption? I don&#8217;t know, that&#8217;s over my head. But I suspect there are other benefits to your method. </p>
<p>In the same way a human body can be conditioned to recognize and respond to known diseases, so passive- or cold-compost contains a faint record of plagues it has known, in the form of dormant predators, ready to re-emerge when they see the bat-signal upon a cloud. In many instances, beneficial micro-organisms outcompete the pests. So in theory, passive composting is like drinking raw milk. </p>
<p>Eventually, this analogy breaks down. Here&#8217;s how: in a backyard compost pile, a full cross-section of micro-organisms survive at the periphery of the pile and quickly recolonize the pile after it passes through the &#8220;hot composting&#8221; process and cools/cures. You&#8217;ve basically cleared the game board and let the micro-organisms compete on their own merits, rather than favoring pest organisms that thrived in the presence of tender garden crops.  What you get is a thriving ecosystem without the imbalance that existed before the pile heated up. And as a side benefit, you get stable compost faster (hot composting is much faster) and destroy most weed seeds.</p>
<p>So which is better? There&#8217;s no clear winner. There are costs and benefits to each method. In my yard, I use both methods and apply the product in different areas according to my needs and what I&#8217;m composting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Passive Composting and Why I Think That&#8217;s Important &#8211; a Contrarian Post by Melany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 04:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer your passive/slow method, but not just for the reasons you mention - it&#039;s also in keeping with my &quot;lazy-ass-gardener&quot; ethos : )  BTW, thanks so much for introducing me to hugelkultur. I have some downed wood and a couple young bodies to help put it together this weekend. So excited!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer your passive/slow method, but not just for the reasons you mention &#8211; it&#8217;s also in keeping with my &#8220;lazy-ass-gardener&#8221; ethos : )  BTW, thanks so much for introducing me to hugelkultur. I have some downed wood and a couple young bodies to help put it together this weekend. So excited!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Passive Composting and Why I Think That&#8217;s Important &#8211; a Contrarian Post by Joanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 04:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So thought provoking!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Integrating Small Animals Into the Garden (In Other Words, How to Let Animals Do All the Work) by Mark Renn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Renn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the tilapia idea is a great way to further close the waste loop.  and after you fillet the fish for your family or sale, the chickens will pick everything else off of the bones, great protein boost for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the tilapia idea is a great way to further close the waste loop.  and after you fillet the fish for your family or sale, the chickens will pick everything else off of the bones, great protein boost for them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SIGN UP &amp; Grab Your Challenge Buttons/Badges by RaisingZ</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainableeats.com/sign-up-for-the-urban-farm-handbook-challenge/ufhchallengebutton/comment-page-5/#comment-7252</link>
		<dc:creator>RaisingZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in!!!</description>
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